The motivation to avoid fighting in an unnecessary war trumps your little greedy motivation and wallet obsession.

Exactly Comrade. So when the group decides to go to war, and also decides to subjigate it's citizens as conscripts, you said you would be the "greedy and selfish" turncoat that would go over the wall to Canada at the first hint of a draft.

If one of those people do not want to contribute what is considered the established amount, then that person is the greedy, selfish renegade.

Just because you as an individual does not believe it is fair, it does not absolve you of your responsibility to the rest of us.

Your greed and selfishness does not override your community responsibility.

I understand that whether it's my money or my life that the state demands of me, if I'm not volunteering to surrender it, then its theft.

You, on the other hand, will use "democracy" as your excuse to reach into the pockets of others and remove their taxes, yet if that same democracy demands that you to surrender your freedom by mandating internment in your government's military, you've claimed that you would be among the first batch of slaves to try to escape the plantation.

So tell me, which is the true manifestation of greed; not giving up your freedom and possibly your life? Or not giving up the fruits of your labor?

My claim is that there is little difference.

You, on the other hand, somehow feel no allegiance to that which you create... only to preserving your life as a slave on... or off... the gummit's plantation.

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"There is the great, silent, continuous struggle: the struggle between the State and the Individual; between the State which demands and the individual who attempts to evade such demands. Because the individual, left to himself... always refuses to pay taxes, obey laws, or go to war." -Benito Mussolini

A draft or tax is a legal requirement.

The decision to comply with either one is an individual choice.

However, there is certainly a difference in proportion between going to war and paying your tax bill.

You greedy, selfish libertarians don't quite understand that.

So I guess if we substitute a draft that was lawfully created by an elected legislature we could have the following statement:

"A (Draft) is valid if you believe in a democratic govt. Laws created by elected reps are enforced if you disobey. A (Draft) is just one of many laws that you are "forced" to follow."

I guess Comrade Mikey is somewhat of a hypocrite in that given the first whiff of a draft his butt will drag his family with him as he flees his civic AND LEGAL responsibility by going over the wall to Canada.

Volunteer for Iraqi duty and be a role model for me.

I can comfortably wait because W would never subject his twins to the draft.

A draft will make your family quite eligible and my family will wave farewell to yours.

We'll be going to Canada, yours can go to Iraq.

Just what I said, aka The Draft.

What do you mean by "forced killing?"

You write like W speaks.

I know Haywood, I believe you!

Joseph, the church crowd is easy to snow. Especially the ones who believe in talking animals. That's why they are taken in by charlatans so often.

Why don't you demonstrate your support for forced killing by forcing yourself, your wife and kids to go join the American War in Iraq.

I can't believe I am saying this, but I AGREE with Mike! (poof, the rapture just happened!!)

I voted for Bush in 2000, but NOT in 2004. Believe it or not, Sean Hannity had a big part in that!! After listening to his show for several weeks, I quickly realized he is nothing more than a political ad for the republican party! There was no 'fair and balanced' at all.

There is NO DIFFERENCE between the Republicans and the Democrats, with the exception that the Republicans have the church-crowd SNOWED!! But don't worry, the democrats are attempting that as we speak!

The republican party has decieved the church. I for one am thankful I will not have to answer for their actions.

Like Noah, we've been telling conservatives how incompetent W is and now look at where we are.

And the bush twins party on....

You just did, Haywood ;)

Until the rain came, and the waters rose, and then everyone was singing a different tune.

Can't we just get out of Iraq first?

If jc can do that, I just may reconsider going for that heavenly ride...

A visit by jc to fallujah would be a nice start.

Peace out.