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Haywood from Greenville writes:
1/25/2006 3:29:03 PM
Well you should at least cite his wife and other legitimate sources instead of evangelical revisionist history.
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Robert from Morgantown, WV writes:
1/25/2006 2:12:18 PM

I agree with you. Lincoln was constantly looking for a "sign" so to say unlike Bush who does believe he has God's best interests at heart.

There is a big difference between someone who desires to do God's will and someone who does his own will and calls it God's.

I find it ironic that the father of the Republican party's own example of keeping his personal religious views apart from his politics is ignored in todays modern Republican Party.

We could get into a debate over Lincoln and Davis trying to outdo each other with National Day Of Prayer decrees but we all know that was politics in action.

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Robert from Morgantown, WV writes:
1/25/2006 12:52:30 PM
Sure thing Haywood.

I'll remember to site you in my bibliography next time I write a term paper on Lincoln.

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Haywood from Greenville writes:
1/25/2006 12:18:00 PM
So was I wrong or were you wrong about Hitler? Are Mike and I wrong or are you wrong about Lincoln? I think you're a bit confused about who knows nothing about the topic. You should stop reading that revisionist history. It's confusing you.
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Mike from Greenville writes:
1/25/2006 11:50:37 AM

The larger point is that W thinks he is on God's side and Lincoln was not sure.

When you believe you are doing god's will, a certain arrogance takes hold as can be seen with the invasion, spying, and torture.

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Robert from Morgantown, WV writes:
1/25/2006 8:34:35 AM
Yes. I've learned a long time ago never to debate with you anything you no nothing about but yet consider yourself an expert at.
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Haywood from Greenville writes:
1/24/2006 11:48:55 PM
His wife had a different opinion Robert:

""Mr. Lincoln had no hope, and no faith, in the usual acceptation of those words...Mr. Lincoln's maxim and philosophy were: 'What is to be, will be, and no prayers of ours can arrest the decree.' He never joined any Church. He was a religious man always, I think, but was not a technical Christian." Mary Todd Lincoln

Robert, I'm begining to think this another one of those conversations similiar to the one where you tried to claim Hitler was not a devout Christian. How did that turn out? Do you remember?

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Robert from Morgantown, WV writes:
1/24/2006 11:19:38 PM
You're right Haywood. Lincoln was being sarcastic. Lincoln was a man who kept his Christianity simple and was adamantly opposed to church creeds, dogmas and liturgies. He won his congressional election against a Methodist curcuit rider in which Lincoln was called a "heathen" and an "athiest" because he didn't join an organized body of the church.

Don't mistake Lincoln's disdain for church and politics with his own personal views. In his own personal writings Lincoln very much felt that he was appointed by God to the oval office and he was to lead America through the trial by fire.

Some historians feel that Lincoln's guilt for allowing the Civil War to happen caused his hyper-spirituality towards the end of the war. Other historians believe the influence of his close friend and Presbyterian minister Dr. Phineas Gurley along with the death of his 11 year old son caused a religious revival in Lincoln. I guess to some extent we'll never know.

My point is that both Bush and Lincoln are similar in that they believe that God put them in the Oval Office for a divine purpose. Where Bush and Lincoln part ways is Lincoln downplayed his spirituality and kept it from interfering with public policy. Bush openly professes his spirituality and proposes ammendments to the constitution to back it up.

A good article of interest on Lincoln's spiritual transformation in the White House is Nicholas Parrilo's "Lincoln's Calvinist Transformation". It can be found on the Journal Of American History website. Or read "Lincoln in American Memory" by Merrill D. Peterson.

Good stuff. I find Lincoln fascinating!!!

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Mike from Greenville writes:
1/24/2006 7:22:42 PM
To Haywood's and my point:

From Lincoln's second inaugural:

"Both read the same Bible, and pray to the same God; and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces; but let us judge not that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered; that of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has his own purposes."

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Haywood from Greenville writes:
1/24/2006 6:57:30 PM
His second inaugural address makes no sense then Robert, because he's pretty sarcastic about people who claim to be acting on God's behalf.
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Robert from Morgantown, WV writes:
1/24/2006 6:51:09 PM
In Lincoln's personal writings you will find that he believed that America was the new Isreal and that he was appointed by God to lead America through the "trial by fire" aka The Civil War.

Bush and Lincoln both believed God put them in the Oval Office.

For those interested on this subject research the American Social Gospel.

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Doug from Columbia writes:
1/23/2006 5:03:47 PM
I support bar owners being able to run their businesses as they see fit--including opening on Sunday.
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Mike from Greenville writes:
1/23/2006 4:04:01 PM
Contempt happens when relgious folks don't mind their own heavenly business.

Keep your fantasies to yourselves while keeping the bars open on Sunday.

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Doug from Columbia writes:
1/23/2006 3:12:32 PM
Hey, I said he made some valid points. Give me a break, here.
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Haywood from Greenville writes:
1/23/2006 12:03:22 PM
The halo is the only thing that keeps Fair in office. He's one of the least effective politicians around (although Sanford probably has him beat). None of his proposals ever pass, but he's part of that constituency that will vote for him just because he's willing to fight the good (fundamentalist) fight.

Doug, Mike's contempt for religion is no different than your contempt for liberals and big gummit. We all have things we don't like about society. Conservatives though feel it is their right and their duty to rail about anything and everything but then get offended when the tables are turned.

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Doug from Columbia writes:
1/23/2006 11:42:58 AM
Though I find Mike's constant contempt for religion to be very distasteful, he makes some valid points with this article.
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Vic from Simpsonville writes:
1/23/2006 9:04:27 AM
I suspect Fair (the South Carolina Taliban, the Arseholla-Ayatolla, the Mudbrained Mullah, etc) carrys that thing around because it's so much more impressive than what he's accustomed to.

The man is an idiot and deserves nothing more than the scorn of thinking South Carolinians.

All ten of us.

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Mike from Greenville writes:
1/22/2006 9:50:01 PM
Halo Hell and Dildos.

It all comes together.

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